Pentium 4 lga775 upgrade to Dual core or Core 2 Duo
pathardware
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Hi
which model pentium 4 has socket LGA775 was implemented.
I mean which model brand hp or compaq or HCL or ibm ? year & model required.
I prefer to buy that model so that i can upgrade to latest processors.
Another question:
Will Pentium 4 with Socket LGA 775 supports any chipset model for upgradation to
1.Core 2 Duo
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2.Dual core processors ?
If not pls give me the Chipset models support for the upgradation.
My plan is buy used pentium 4 LGA 775 & upgrade to new processor(only processor using same motherboard of the old one) which eliminates/reduces cost for upgradation.
Is this right plan or is there any complication in upgradation.
Ritwik7
Posts: 1,657 +9
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pathardware first please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_775
The list of processors using LGA 775 are listed on that page. As for your question, YES some P4 motherboards might support Dual Core and Core 2 Duo.
My Current motherboard is an ASUS P5B-MX/WiFi AP and I’m running a P4 Prescott on it. The CPU support list on the ASUS website lists Dual Core, Core 2 Duo and Quad Core support (With BIOS upgrade). My P4 actually was part of a Compaq system purchased way back in 2005.
After that the rest of the system (barring monitor and processor) has had major overhauls.
But, as for your plan, I would suggest you go about building an entry level new system by yourself.
pathardware
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Hi ritwik
After reading wikipedia only i got a plan of this but some of them are saying that even P4 LGA775 u have 2 check compatible chipsets too.
1.what are the chipsets coming along with P4 LGA 775 in the branded systems ?
2.What are models/brands of hcl,hp,compaq,ibm comes with this P4 LGA 775 (i am not asking assembled board) ?
3.
Where do i get this used PC of these P4 LGA 775 (used branded models) ?
4.Is there any website to check released models of brands with hardware details from 2004 ?
Ritwik7
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Well, take a look at the ASUS/ Gigabyte websites for LGA 775 chipsets that support both P4 and Dual Core/ Core 2 Duo.
As far as brands and models go, I can’t really tell you much. My own system, as I said before, was a P4 Compaq. And I’m still using the same processor. However I can’t remember the model.
But I presume that 2004 branded PCs would not have motherboards with Dual Core compatibility.
If you could specify your budget in putting together your rig we could help you assemble a new one. Anyway, which part of the world are you from?
Rage_3K_Moiz
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The problem with this approach is the fact that all the new Core 2 Duos and Core 2 Quads are Wolfdale-based and Yorkfield-based respectively i.e. 45nm, which is not supported on older chipsets. The Conroe-based CPUs are extremely difficult to find (with the exception of the Q6600), which leaves you with the E2xxx Allendale-based Pentium Dual-Core series, which are better than P4s but significantly slower than similar Pentium Dual-Core (not Pentium D) and Core 2 Duo models.
Look here for the chipsets that will support Core 2 Duo CPUs. Also, as stated above, if you find a motherboard with one of those chipsets, make sure to go to the motherboard manufacturer’s CPU Support page for that board and see if it supports the CPU(s) you are planning to buy.
As for used PCs with those specs, eBay (or your local equivalent of it) is where you should look.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
pathardware
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Hi ritwik,rage
I am from south india.
My plan buying a used branded(Not assembled) of Pentium 4 with LGA 775 with chipset (compatible to dual core or core 2duo processors) say you get it around INR 5000-6000(only CPU) then using same motherboard & chipsets we can upgrade to new processor (either dual core or core 2 duo).
By doing this u save costs in buying new mobos,other compatible peripherals etc.,
New processor/upgraded in old/used mobos
Is this a practical feasible idea ? i searched all used branded PCs with pentium 4,LGA 775 socket but i dont get or come across any models/brands comes with this config.
Also i dont know which & when the brands used this config so that i can find according 2 the model.Here HCL,IBM,HP,compaq models in india.
Its hard 2 find which model/brands used this config ?
captaincranky
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Plug and play compatibility for most Wolfdale 45nm C2D requires Intel chipsets (G or P) 31, 35, 43, or 45.
Keep in mind these Wolfdale CPUs are pretty much all you can buy.
Chipsets 945, 945, 946, and 965 are obsolete. Many 945 chipsets won’t take anything better than a Pentium D. Good luck finding one of those. Everybody’s pretty much trying to forget then, especially Intel. The 965s are pretty much limited to Conroe 65nm E6xxx C2D.
Intel chipsets 915 and prior, are only 32 bit hardware. You can’t even put a Cedar Mill P4 in them
It’s time to spring for a new board, move on!
Sorry, sometimes reality checks are a bit jarring. I appreciate and sympathize with the issues of location and money. That said, the truth is still the truth.
Ritwik7
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Hi pathardware,
Please tell us your total budget including the upgradation to a new processor.
Also what purpose will you be using this computer for?
For Rs. 15,000-20,000 you could assemble a new budget PC for yourself. If you are planning to spend in this range, let us know. We’ll help you put together a rig.
But as for the old branded PCs, I think it’ll be really difficult to find one of those models. And the motherboards that come with them will in all probability not support the newer CPUs as they are the 915/ 945 / 965 chipsets.
Bottom line: Not a very feasible or practical idea.
All the best.
pathardware
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Hi guys
It seems some of the IBM lenovo models comes with pentium 4 ,945 chipset so it may be possible for upgradation ?
If processor,socket & motherboard compatiblity for upgradation that is pentium 4 with socket LGA 775 — 945 chipsets.
is there any thing we have 2 check other than this for upgradation ?
basically i am not comfortable with assembled versions but ready to use branded used motherboards/processors like that..
Also i came to know IBM models used chipsets which r compatible for upgrading processors without any changes ?
Send me your suggestions
captaincranky
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Have you read anything that’s been posted?
Ritwik7
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@ captaincranky: Apparantly not.
And I don’t understand why he’s being so stubborn.
@ pathardware: There are a lot of other things that you need to check. Firstly, find out which exact motherboard you’re getting. Not just the chipset. Then go to the manufacturer’s website and find out which processors are supported. Else just get the PC you’re so hell bent on getting and then get the processor you want and see if that works. If it doesn’t, I’m sorry, but we told you.
sp2iliyana
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Dude…
here’s what you are looking for…Google or ebay or something similar to get a used system.
..
hp m1195c is the system you are looking for..google it you will find it…
Windows 11 runs on PC with ancient single-core Intel Pentium 4 CPU
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Windows 11 may have system requirements which have caused controversy by ruling out even relatively modern PCs, but the OS can in fact run on a computer powered by a single-core Intel Pentium 4 (Cedar Mill) processor that’s 15 years old.
This rather startling feat was achieved by ‘Carlos SM’ who tweeted about it and then shared a video to show how the ancient system runs, as spotted by PC Mag.
Windows 11 in Cedar Mill Pentium 4Machine specifications:Intel Pentium 4 661 3.6 GHzASUS P5Q4 GB DDR2 800Nvidia Geforce GT 710120 GB SSDInstalled using Windows 10’s PE installer pic.
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As you can see, the full spec of the PC comprises of an Intel Pentium 4 661 (1-core, 2-thread) CPU in an Asus P5Q (LGA 775) motherboard, with 4GB of DDR2 RAM (at 800MHz) and an Nvidia GeForce GT 710 graphics card. A 120GB SSD is present for storage (with Carlos providing a CPU-Z validation of the system, too).
That hardware was good enough for Carlos to install Windows 11, going the route of using a Windows 10 PE Installer, and noting that “Windows 11 is installed in MBR/Legacy Boot mode, no EFI emulation involved”.
Carlos further observes that Windows Update works on the PC just fine, and he installed the recent Patch Tuesday cumulative update for Windows 11 without a problem. That said, as you might expect, Microsoft’s OS is on the slow side at times running on this hardware configuration.
It’s quite eye-opening just how low-powered a PC can get and still run Windows 11, especially given that the hard floor of the system requirements calls for a dual-core CPU, not a single-core model as used here.
The big stumbling block for many machines is the TPM 2.0 stipulation, which Microsoft has implemented for security reasons (as well as Secure Boot), and unsurprisingly this venerable PC has neither. As we’ve seen, though, and even written a guide about ourselves, it is possible to upgrade to Windows 11 on a non-TPM machine with workarounds which Microsoft has made known.
But even then, the software giant strongly warns against doing so, suggesting that it could lead to ‘device malfunction’ or even ‘damage’, and you’re not guaranteed to receive updates (but as Carlos has found out, you can get them – at least for now).
Clearly, though, it is an odd situation where it’s possible to install Windows 11 on a PC with a shouldn’t-be-supported single-core CPU using an unofficial method, and yet you can’t have an official installation on a PC with a processor from Intel’s 7th-gen range which emerged only five years ago. Carlos also tweets to note that this Pentium CPU isn’t even the oldest you could boot Windows 11 with, as well.
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Enable all processor cores in Windows 10/11
Almost all modern processors are multi-core.
All modern versions of Windows support multiprocessor CPUs and all cores on them are active by default.
Contents:
- How many processors and cores are available in Windows?
- How to enable all processor cores in Windows?
- How to run a program in Windows only on certain kernels?
- Enable all Windows kernels on boot
Windows has a limit on the maximum supported number of physical CPUs and cores (logical processors) depending on the version and edition:
- Windows 10 x86 (Enterprise Pro, Home) — up to 2 CPUs and 32 logical processors (both physical and Hyper-Threading virtual cores count)
- Windows 10/11 x64 — up to 2 CPUs and 256 logical processors
- Windows Server 2019/2016/2012R2 — 640 logical processors
- Windows Server 2008 R2 — 256 logical cores
How many processors and cores are available in Windows?
The easiest way to check how many physical CPUs, cores, and logical processors are available in Windows is to use the Task Manager.
- Run
taskmgr.exe
and go to tab Performance ; - Select CPU;
- The right window shows the number of available processors (sockets), physical cores (24 cores) and logical processors (logical processors).
The logical processors show the number of available cores, assuming HyperThreading is enabled on the computer.
In Device Manager (
devmgmt.msc
) also displays the number of available logical cores.
Also, information about physical CPUs and the number of cores on them is displayed in the Processor section of the msinfo32.exe utility
Processor Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2673 v3 @ 2.40GHz, 2394 Mhz, 12 Core(s) , 24 Logical Processor(s) Processor Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2673 v3 @ 2.40GHz, 2394 Mhz, 12 Core(s), 24 Logical Processor(s)
You can get information about the number of cores and logical processors using PowerShell:
Get-WmiObject -class Win32_processor | ft NumberOfCores,NumberOfLogicalProcessors
NumberOfCores NumberOfLogicalProcessors ------------- ------------------------- 12 24 12 24
The Windows environment variable also contains information about the number of logical processors in Windows:
echo %NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS%
How to enable all processor cores in Windows?
If all CPU cores are not available in Windows, check if they are enabled in the BIOS/UEFI settings.
There can be two options here:
- HyperThreading — the ability to use both logical processors of the CPU core
- Active Processor Cores — whether it is allowed to use all processor cores
Restart Windows and enter the BIOS settings (usually using the keys
F2
,
Del
,
F10
or
F1
.
The exact names of the items and their availability depend on the BIOS version and processor model. In my case, all cores and logical processors are enabled in the Processor Configuration section:
- Hyper-Threading ALL:
Enabled - Active Processor Cores:
All
These settings can be found in the Advanced, Extreme Tweaker sections and are called Processor Options, AMD Core Select, Processor Core, Active Processor Cores, Core Multi-Processing, CPU Cores, etc.
How can I run a program on Windows only on certain kernels?
On Windows, you can allow a program to run on only one or more cores.
By default, a running Windows application can run on any kernel.
If you need to bind the program to certain cores, you can use the Processor Affinity function . This may be useful if you want to limit the program’s CPU usage, or run the program on only one core (this may be necessary to run older applications that do not work correctly on multi-core computers.
You can change the binding of a running application to cores using the Task Manager:
- Go to the tab Details ;
- Right click on the process and select Set affinity;
- Check the physical cores on which application instructions are allowed to execute.
If you want to immediately run the application on one core, for example, CPU0. Use the command:
cmd.exe /c start "Acrobat DC" /affinity 1 "C:\Program Files\MyApp\yourappname.exe"
Enable all Windows kernels at startup
Windows always uses one kernel when the computer boots.
You can enable all kernels when booting Windows via System Configuration:
- Run the utility
msconfig
; - Click the Boot tab and select your Windows boot entry;
- Press Advanced options ;
- Enable option Number of processors in the BOOT Advanced Options window;
- Select the number of logical processors (threads) that can be used at boot.
You won’t notice much faster Windows startup if you increase the number of available processors. Also, in some cases this option can cause problems with Windows boot, especially when the PCI lock option is enabled (BOOT error BAD SYSTEM CONFIG INFO). Therefore, in most cases, it is not recommended to enable and configure this option.
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10/19/2021 [13:54], Nikolai Khizhnyak Due to Microsoft’s oversight, the new Windows 11 operating system can run even on systems based on ancient Intel Pentium 4 processors. In any case, this is the opinion of the PC Health Check utility to check the compatibility of the computer with the new OS. Moreover, the enthusiast was able to successfully run Windows 11 on a system with a Pentium 4, so this is not just a utility error.
Image source: Intel Microsoft’s insistence on excluding many relatively modern processors from the list of supported platforms for the new OS has caused a flurry of criticism from many users. Ironically, even some of Microsoft’s own Surface devices, including the Surface 3 and Surface Pro tablets, Surface Laptops, and first and second generation Surface Studio all-in-ones, were found to be incompatible with Windows 11. Officially, Windows 11 requires a PC with at least a 1GHz dual-core processor to run. Despite this, all models of Intel Core processors below the 8th generation, as well as AMD processors older than the Ryzen 2000 series, with a much larger number of cores and running at higher clock speeds, are not officially supported by the new OS.
However, the proprietary PC Health Check utility has its own opinion on this matter. As the screenshots above and below show, the Intel Pentium 4 661 processor is quite suitable for working with the new OS, although it has only one core, even though it supports Hyper-Threading technology. Intel released this chip in early 2006. Apparently, Microsoft forgot to add Cedar Mill processors to the list of officially unsupported Windows 11. YouTube channel owner Carlos S. M. Computers recorded a video of running Windows 11 (version 22000.258) on a Pentium 4 661 PC. The system supposedly even works the “Windows Update” function, which once again emphasizes the absurdity and artificiality of Microsoft’s strict system requirements regarding Windows 11 compatibility. |
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