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Hey I am fixing my parents friends computer which was loaded with virus and ect. and since they are only going to be using MSN, OpenOffice.org, and Internet (they already use FireFox), I put on Xubuntu. Their Sempron 2.0Ghz is the main thing bogging the system down and I would like to upgrade it to the fastest 754 I can so it will run a little better ’till they get a new computer. I am not looking to spend too much for a new CPU for them but I don’t expect a 754 costing that much. Any suggestions?
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I believe the Athlon 64 2.4GHz 3700+ was the fastest.
I have a decent biostar GeForce 6100 s754 mobo and a 2.0Ghz Athlon 64 3000+ Venice if you are interested.
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well I have a geforce 6100 chipset now that I am running. how much for just the chip? i will tell them the price and if they are interested.
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I got a S754 2800+ with the stepping of LBBWE (the best)
I hit 2.6 on air.
i remember reading somewhere that it is capable of 3+ on water.
I have it listed in the forsale section for $20shipped
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Originally Posted by Cerberus I got a S754 2800+ with the stepping of LBBWE (the best) I have it listed in the forsale section for $20shipped |
well it won’t be overclocking… i think I may get his, if they say yes. hold on to it please.
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Originally Posted by procpuarie well it won’t be overclocking… i think I may get his, if they say yes. hold on to it please. |
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I also believe the 3700+ is the fastest 754 socket, this guy wants $120 what tha F!!???
http://houston. kijiji.com/c-For-sale…QAdIdZ51998095
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Unless you find a seller on here, expect to pay quite a bit for a socket 754 processor, as their scarcity makes them cost more for the performance they offer.
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The absolute best one you can get for a Socket 754 is a 4000+ Newark core.
The Newark core is a mobile chip that’s really a San Diego core minus the dual channel capability. Has the 1M L2 cache and like most mobile chips, has a lower wattage draw than your typical desktop chip = it runs cooler.
The catch is not all desktop boards support this chip, being it’s an E6 revision chip. I can tell you a DFI NF4 Infinity and an Abit KV8 Pro board will run these. I’ll check around and see how many others can run it.
Speeds above 3.1GHz have been reached with this chip so yes, it will fly. It needs a cooler that can run with a delidded chip instead of the usual cooler.
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The 3700+ is the best you can do for your typical desktop chip but a 3200 or 3400+ chip is a good choice too.
Finding one cheap isn’t hard if you know where to look and here’s one place they can be found without breaking the bank: http://www.starmicro.net/
Be sure to check the listing before you buy. This site is one of those weird ones with prices all over the place but bargains CAN be found. You’ll note some of the listings are a bit sketchy and the prices range from mild to wild if you take the time to browse through.
I’ve dealt with them several times before and I’ve never had a problem with them.
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Great site Kryton
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Thanks!
Glad I could help out.
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i think I am going to get Cerberus’s. Thanks for all the help.
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Originally Posted by Kryton The absolute best one you can get for a Socket 754 is a 4000+ Newark core. The Newark core is a mobile chip that’s really a San Diego core minus the dual channel capability. Has the 1M L2 cache and like most mobile chips, has a lower wattage draw than your typical desktop chip = it runs cooler. @ the OP: Be sure to check the listing before you buy. This site is one of those weird ones with prices all over the place but bargains CAN be found. You’ll note some of the listings are a bit sketchy and the prices range from mild to wild if you take the time to browse through. |
Nice overclock on that Opty man!!
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AMD’s Sempron 3300+: 90nm Budget Computing
by Anand Lal Shimpion April 18, 2005 2:10 AM EST
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IndexBusiness/General Use PerformanceMultitasking Content CreationVideo Creation/Photo EditingAudio/Video EncodingGaming Performance3D RenderingWorkstation ApplicationsOverclocking & Final Words
When AMD offered to send us their latest Sempron CPU for review, we honestly felt a little ashamed — we had almost entirely forgotten about the budget CPU that launched last June. Had we missed other Sempron reviews since its launch? Were we too tied up in the higher end desktop processors and the dual core migration to pay attention to AMD’s brand new budget line? After a moment’s panic, we calmed ourselves and realized something that had surprised us a bit — AMD hadn’t released a faster Socket-754 Sempron since its launch in June 2004. Not a single new CPU in ten and a half months. We stopped feeling so bad.
Intel was slightly better, but not by much. After our original review of the 90nm Celeron D, Intel released one more CPU, the Celeron D 345, late last year, but it’s been quiet since then. And we thought the mainstream CPU race had slowed down.
So, it was time for an updated comparison, but luckily, the field hadn’t changed much — or had it? Remembering back to our original Sempron review, AMD initially introduced two Semprons: a Socket-A and an Socket-754 version. The Socket-A version has topped out at 3000+ (2.0GHz) and it doesn’t look like there’s any future beyond it for the aging platform. The Socket-754 platform has yet to out-live its welcome and thus, AMD’s newest Sempron, the Sempron 3300+, is a Socket-754-only CPU. The Socket-754 Sempron is based on AMD’s K8 architecture, but is a 32-bit only CPU (no x64 support here). As a Socket-754 CPU, the Sempron only features a single channel DDR400 memory controller.
Intel’s Celeron D 345 was merely a clock bump to the Celeron D 335 that we reviewed last June, bringing Intel’s fastest Celeron up to 3.06GHz while still remaining on the 533MHz FSB. AMD’s Sempron 3300+ isn’t as simple of a transition, however. The original Socket-754 Sempron was built on a 130nm process and featured a 256KB L2 cache, whereas the new Sempron 3300+ is built on AMD’s 90nm process and features a 128KB L2 cache. The new Sempron also features all of the enhancements that made it into the 90nm Athlon 64 processors — mainly SSE3 support and some enhancements to the memory controller.
The higher rating is due to a higher clock speed; the Sempron 3300+ runs at 2. 0GHz compared to the 3100+’s 1.8GHz clock. But with half of the L2 cache, the performance picture is bound to be much more interesting than just a regular clock bump.
With only a 128KB L2 cache, the Sempron 3300+ is definitely a step back in terms of the cache sizes that we expect to see on modern day microprocessors. At the same time, halving the cache while moving to a smaller process ensures that AMD can enjoy larger profit margins on these new Sempron CPUs. But AMD’s profit margins aren’t our concern here; what we care about is how the 3300+ performs and going one step further, a cool running 90nm chip with a very small 128KB L2 cache is quite attractive to the overclocker in us.
With an on-die memory controller, the Socket-754 Semprons can get away with having relatively small L2 caches, since their main memory access latencies are very low to begin with. But even if we estimate that the on-die memory controller of a Sempron reduces memory accesses to around ~120 cycles, an access from L2 cache is going to still take about 1/10th that. In the end, while AMD’s K8 architecture is less dependent on large caches, it is still not impervious to the impact that a small one can have.
Priced at $127, the Sempron 3300+ is priced similarly to Intel’s Celeron D 345 ($133) and the Athlon 64 3000+ ($140). That being said, let’s see how it competes…
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AMD Athlon 64 Configuration
Socket-939 Athlon 64 CPUs
2 x 512MB OCZ PC3200 EL Dual Channel DIMMs 2-2-2-10
MSI nForce4 SLI Motherboard
ATI Radeon X800 XT PCI Express
AMD Sempron Configuration
Socket-754 Sempron CPUs
2 x 512MB OCZ PC3200 EL Dual Channel DIMMs 2-2-2-10
ABIT NF8 nForce3 Motherboard
ATI Radeon X800 XT AGP
Intel Celeron D Configuration
LGA-775 Intel Celeron D 345 (3.06GHz)
2 x 512MB Crucial DDR-II 533 Dual Channel DIMMs 3-3-3-12
Intel 915P Motherboard
ATI Radeon X800 XT PCI Express
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the battle for Socket 754 and the world’s fastest PC based on Windows 98SE (page 5)
The option to search for the top desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ on the «Clawhammer» core with 1MB of cache memory did not suit me and I found the best option in the face mobile Athlon 64 3400+ based on the «Newark» core, which had 1 MB of cache memory of the 2nd level, was manufactured according to a thinner tech. process, respectively, there was a chance of its operation at a higher frequency.
This processor does not have a protective cover, but the contact with the cooling system is better. By the way, not all motherboards are able to work with this mobile processor. My Abit NF8 could not recognize this processor, due to the lack of the necessary microcodes in the BIOS, but ASUS K8N4-E Deluxe accepted it without any problems.
The test bench remained unchanged, except for the CPU. Newark managed to overclock to a stable frequency of 2904 MHz, but it is capable of more, and I was already running out of time like LN2. At this frequency, the previous result was improved by 200 points, the final figure was 7 814 marks, which gave the final 10th place in this test.
The first to break the 8k 3DMark2005 milestone was an American overclocker sunset1 from Team Overclock.net . Armed with the top-end AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer), it was possible to overclock it to a modest 2700 MHz with the help of CBO. The video card Radeon X850 XT PE was overclocked to 654/1350 MHz, which resulted in 8 003 marks.
It can be seen that the overclocker creatively approached the arrangement of the test bench. See more of the American’s favorite stuffed toys here.
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Russian overclocker ZFeSS from the Hardware Hackers team overclocked the top mobile Athlon 64 4000+ (Newark) to 2900 MHz and the Radeon X850 XT PE video card to 660/1260 MHz, which eventually gave 8 088 marks and 8th place.
The second Russian overclocker sebro from the Team MXS ModLabs.net overclocked an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Clawhammer) to 3 GHz using a freon, at this frequency the processor passed the 3DMark2005 test. Also in the test bench was a Radeon X850 XT PE, overclocked to 669/1326 MHz, overclocking was successful thanks to the voltmod of the video card. Judging by the photo, the voltage on the GPU and memory was separately increased. The final result was 8 142 marks.
Overclocker macsbeach98 from the American team Warp9-systems overclocked his Athlon 64 4000+ (Newark) to 3133 MHz and the Radeon X850 XT video card to 682/1310 MHz with the help of CBO. The test bench was based on a DFI Infinity NF4X motherboard. The final result was 8 159 marks.
The Ukrainian team of overclockers Overclockers.UA in this stage of the Championship was represented by Snegovick . In order to get ahead of all the above-named rivals, he did not have to overclock his CPU sky-high, the Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice) only worked at a frequency of 2801 MHz, but the video card was subjected to voltmod. Radeon X850 XT was overclocked to 678/1290 MHz, but thanks to soft tuning, the final result was higher than that of macsbeach98 , who apparently squeezed everything out of his system.
With the result 8 163 marks Snegovick takes the 4th line in the standings. During the surge tests, as it turned out, his Radeon X850 XT rested in Bose, RIP in Peace …
The third line of the standings was headed by a Russian man-team Remarc . His mobile Athlon 64 4000+ (Newark) was overclocked to 3029 MHz using air cooling, the Radeon X850 XT was tested at relatively low frequencies of 635/1270 MHz, but the result was 8 874 marks startled many. Below you can see a photo of the test stand of the bronze medalist.
Second place went to a Swede named Lanbonden from Team TechSweden.org . The Swedish overclocker was very seriously prepared for the task given by the organizers of the tournament, so he used a combination of CBO cooling systems for the processor and a freon for the video card. The test system consisted of a DFI LANparty UT nF3 250Gb motherboard, an AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3400+ (Newark) processor running at 3137 MHz, and an AGP Radeon X850 XT video card with an impressive overclock of 752/1314 MHz.
To get to the coveted number 8 943 marks, the Swede spent as many as three AGP Radeon X850 XT, let me remind you, I could not find a single such card. How it all happened, the photo of the stand will tell.
First place with a fantastic number 9 020 marks belongs to Greek overclocker Stelaras from HwBox Hellas O/C Team . Athlon 64 4000+ (Newark) processor overclocked to 2991 MHz and Radeon X850 XT PE video card overclocked by 50% on GPU! up to frequencies of 810/1310 MHz were cooled with liquid nitrogen at a temperature of -80C. The system was based on the ASUS K8N4-E motherboard based on the nForce 4X chipset.
The final leaderboard in the 3DMark2005 test on Socket754 looks like this.
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AMD64 platform choice: Socket 754 or 939?
Even relatively inexpensive home systems need to be upgraded from time to time. Active work with multimedia applications and gaming battles require significant computing resources, so sooner or later upgrading your PC becomes an urgent problem.
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Today we’ll talk about the best options for those users who have opted for processors from AMD and are ready to allocate only a small amount for an upgrade. The migration from Socket A to more modern platforms, which began quite a long time ago, has now become widespread. Enthusiasts, feeling the «wind of change» and the real advantages of AMD Athlon 64, switched to these processors soon after the announcement. For people whose requests are more modest, the modernization was somewhat delayed.
First of all, it will be relevant for owners of AMD Duron, Sempron, junior Athlon XP models, as well as systems of previous generations. Surely among them there will be quite a few users who are used to looking for a middle ground, paying close attention not only to performance, but also to the price of a future system.
The main question they face is: what platform to choose for an inexpensive system — Socket 754 or Socket 939? The first Athlon 64 processors, announced in autumn 2003, used Socket 754, and six months later Socket 9 was released.39. In this configuration, AMD platforms coexist and evolve to this day. The company just diluted them into different niches, leaving Socket 754 for budget solutions, and making Socket 939 responsible for productive and, accordingly, more expensive systems. We will try to figure out in practice whether it is worth saving up money for the Socket 939 platform for a frugal user, or it would be more reasonable to limit yourself to Socket 754.
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- 2.0.2 Socket 93 9
- 2.0.3 Test results
ASUS A8N5X
Price — $85
Verdict
Processor support
Socket 939 (Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64)
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Chipset NVIDIA nForce4
Expansion slots PCI-E x16 (1), PCI-E x4 (1), PCI-E x1 (2), PCI (3), SATA (4), PATA (2) ), Floppy (1)
Audio codec Realtek ALC850 (7.1)
Reasonable price; additional slot PCI-E x4; rather quiet cooler based on the chipset
Minimum equipment
A typical representative of motherboards based on the nForce4 chipset. Almost identical to the A8N-E and is only a slightly simplified version of it. Among the “losses” incurred in connection with the use of the regular version of the chipset (not Ultra or SLI) is the absence of the ActiveArmor hardware firewall and support for the SATA 300 interface. However, this board has got a much quieter fan installed on the chipset, which, in fact, removes the issue of forced modernization of the cooling system. The PCI-E x4 slot can be useful when using expansion cards that require bus bandwidth. A fairly large number of voids for non-soldered controllers speaks of some lightness of the A8N5X, however, their installation in a budget board is often unnecessary.
EPoX EP-8NPA7I
Price — $75
Verdict
4, Sempron)
Chipset NVIDIA nForce4-4x
Expansion slots PCI- E x16 (1), PCI-E x1 (2), PCI (3), SATA (4), PATA (2), Floppy (1)
Audio codec Realtek ALC655 (5.1)
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Reasonable price; original cooling system
Location of power connectors
The board is based on the nForce4-4x chipset, in which the HyperTransport bus frequency is limited to 800 MHz compared to the regular version. As for the design, the location of the power connectors, which are located at a small distance from the processor socket, can cause criticism. On the one hand, this simplifies the layout of the board, on the other hand, it sometimes creates difficulties when installing a non-standard cooler.
Two memory slots located above the CPU socket allow up to 2 GB of memory. More volume in home systems will not be in demand soon. EP-8NPA7I provides support for all Socket 754 CPUs up to Athlon 64 3700+.
Socket 754
Almost immediately after the announcement of Socket 939, this platform was sent… no, not to a well-deserved rest, but to the budget systems sector. This positioning predetermined the range of CPUs available for it. There is a wide range of low cost Sempron versions on the market with ratings from 2500+ to 3400+ with Paris (130nm) and Palermo (90 nm). Among the Athlon 64 processors there are also models for this socket, but their variety is not very large. However, the older model, which can be installed in Socket 754, is a fairly efficient Athlon 64 3700+. The only thing this platform lacks is the ability to work with dual-core CPUs. Rather, from a technical point of view, this is possible, but given the focus of this platform, we are unlikely to see such processors, as well as faster single-core Athlon 64.
A kind of disadvantage of this platform is a single-channel memory controller, with a peak bandwidth of 3.2 GBps. But this fact is also its advantage. The fact is that the use of a single-channel memory controller simplifies the layout of the motherboard, thereby reducing the cost of its design and manufacture. As a result, quite an attractive motherboard can be purchased for $65-80.
Socket 939
The most significant difference between this platform and Socket 754 is the ability to use a dual-channel DDR400 controller, which theoretically increases the bandwidth of the memory subsystem up to 6. 4 GBps.
If further upgrades are planned, then a Socket 939 system is somewhat preferable. The range of CPUs supported by this platform today includes the Athlon 64 rated 3000+ to 4000+, the flagship Athlon 64 FX models, and the dual-core Athlon 64 X2 processors that are not available for Socket 754. L2 cache memory and a moderate price, the idea of using low-end Socket 9 Opteron processors in desktop systems is becoming more popular39 (of those that managed to appear on the market). But such experiments are rather the lot of enthusiasts. Sempron processors for this socket have already been created, which, however, are intended for OEM assemblers, and AMD’s plans to promote them to the retail market are not yet known. At a reasonable price, they would be a good option to start on Socket 939.
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Until recently, the prerogative of Socket 939 also had SLI technology, which allows two video cards to work in one system. However, this restriction is not of a technical nature, which was confirmed by EPoX, which announced the EP-8NPA SLI board for Socket 754. Rather, the absence of such boards for the junior platform is due to the lack of justification for such a decision.
Test results
On the eve of the announcement of the new AMD platform, which will presumably be called AM2, it is necessary to talk about the long-term prospects of already existing platforms with certain reservations. Apparently Socket 939 will shift to the budget systems sector and will be supported for some time, however, most likely, we should expect the appearance of inexpensive CPUs for this socket. In this case, Socket 754 is destined for the fate of Socket A — leaving the stage. However, as we have seen in practice, the performance of solutions based on Socket 754 and Socket 939 with processors having the same rating differs quite little.
If the question of changing the platform is ripe right now, and the next global upgrade is expected no earlier than in 1. 5-2 years, then a solution based on Socket 754 will be a good option, buying which for a moderate amount you can get a fully productive system. There is a large selection of inexpensive motherboards and processors (from $70). At the same time for Socket 939 officially the most affordable CPU is the Athlon 64 3000+ with a retail price of about $150. Frankly, not the best option if you need a really inexpensive system. Moreover, as tests have shown, in the competition between Athlon 64 processors with the same rating, the Socket 754 model often wins, in which single-channel memory access is compensated by an increased core frequency. Sempron is also not lost against the background of older «colleagues» and looks quite decent. The latest modifications of this family have received the entire arsenal of attributes of more expensive CPUs: support for SSE3 instructions, 64-bit memory addressing technology, and Cool'n'Quiet.
The main advantage of the platform based on Socket 939 is not a dual-channel memory controller, but the ability to install more efficient CPUs.